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Self Defense using some form of martial arts: where do I start?
« on: November 25, 2008, 08:51:55 PM »
I know this forum is dedicated to all-things firearms, particularly in self defense. My question to the community is what is recommend for self-defense using no weapons of any kind other than one's body? There is Krav Maga, Judo, Jiu Jitsu, Kung Fu, etc., but would be recommended for a middle aged male that has never had any martial arts training of any kind? Just kick ass and stay alive is the main focus.

Maybe when I have practiced for a hundred years, maybe I can do this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v325wdgoFH4
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Re: Self Defense using some form of martial arts: where do I start?
« Reply #1 on: November 25, 2008, 09:14:51 PM »
Go with the basics to begin with, find a dojo (martial arts school) that includes training in street defense, not competitive tai-kwan-do or the likes.

As for ju-jitsu or krav maga or any of the other fighting arts (the Asian arts usually do not end in -do, like ia-do (Japanese fencing) , but itsu like iatsu (real swords, real fighting, kind of), these are usually full contact training - not a bad idea, part of the skillset that Gabe Suarez uses in his force-on-force firearms training using training rounds instead of Airsoft or the like. If you're middle aged, it may be more than you can handle. From what I have seen, you will get hurt, and that is just in training!

IMO - go with a dojo that offers self-defense, often coupled with women's defense training, especially if they will do 1-on-1 training or a small group (2-4) instead of a classroom full of people.

My $.02.

Look at aikido too. O-Sensei in the 1920's successfully defended himself for 8 hours against a Japanese Naval officer with a sword - the real kind. O-Sensei never armed himself, but wore the other guy out.
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Re: Self Defense using some form of martial arts: where do I start?
« Reply #2 on: November 25, 2008, 09:24:08 PM »
Krav Maga is by far the most practical system. Other systems have merits, but Krav is pretty much all-inclusive. I trained with the OSU Police Department for a while and the techniques were a hybridization of Judo, Chin Na, and Muay Thai. Lots of people will try to sell you Brazilian Jujitsu, I would be hesitant for self-defense. Yes, it's an effective competition art. However, there is no time that you ever want to be on the ground in a conflict. Additionally, Aikido has some interesting techniques for disarms, throws, and hold escapes, but I  see it as supplementary at best.
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Re: Self Defense using some form of martial arts: where do I start?
« Reply #3 on: November 25, 2008, 09:57:11 PM »
I would probably crap myself or puke all over the place..... either one would make a fine deterrent!  ;D
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Re: Self Defense using some form of martial arts: where do I start?
« Reply #4 on: November 25, 2008, 10:09:27 PM »
Quote from: ericire12 on November 25, 2008, 09:57:11 PM
I would probably crap myself or puke all over the place..... either one would make a fine deterrent!  ;D

Yes, if someone intended to EAT you...
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Re: Self Defense using some form of martial arts: where do I start?
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Re: Self Defense using some form of martial arts: where do I start?
« Reply #5 on: November 25, 2008, 10:19:15 PM »
Quote from: ericire12 on November 25, 2008, 09:57:11 PM
I would probably crap myself or puke all over the place..... either one would make a fine deterrent!  ;D

Reason #2579 why I carry a gun  ;D
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Re: Self Defense using some form of martial arts: where do I start?
« Reply #6 on: November 25, 2008, 10:24:26 PM »
Quote from: ericire12 on November 25, 2008, 10:19:15 PM
Reason #2579 why I carry a gun  ;D

Don't want to belittle martial arts and the many benefits of the training, but I would need months (years) of dicipline before I was in a physical condition to learn how to protect myself ... So I cling to my hero, Indiana Jones, and how he handled someone with a sword and well trained with it  ;)


Damn  :-[  I wasn't going to make fun of this thread or your desire to better yourself ... Forgive me Jesus, and be with the starving Pigmies in New Guinea  :-[
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Re: Self Defense using some form of martial arts: where do I start?
« Reply #7 on: November 25, 2008, 10:30:48 PM »
Quote from: m58 on November 25, 2008, 10:24:26 PM
Don't want to belittle martial arts and the many benefits of the training, but I would need months (years) of dicipline before I was in a physical condition to learn how to protect myself ... So I cling to my hero, Indiana Jones, and how he handled someone with a sword and well trained with it  ;)


Damn  :-[  I wasn't going to make fun of this thread or your desire to better yourself ... Forgive me Jesus, and be with the starving Pigmies in New Guinea  :-[

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Re: Self Defense using some form of martial arts: where do I start?
« Reply #8 on: November 25, 2008, 11:55:47 PM »
FWIW,  I would encourage you to look for a Personal Defense Readiness coach in your area of visit Tony Blauer's website and look into his programs, seminars or DVDs.

PDR is a great place for anyone to start in unarmed combatives. I've been a PDR Coach/SPEAR Instructor since 2001/02. The program is very intuitive and based on bridging efficiently between the body's natural reaction to close quarters ambush and an effective response.

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Re: Self Defense using some form of martial arts: where do I start?
« Reply #9 on: November 26, 2008, 07:49:16 AM »
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However, there is no time that you ever want to be on the ground in a conflict.

This may be true, however most fights end up in a clinch or on the ground and you must train for that eventuality.  I don't ever want to be in a gunfight, but I still train for the possibility.

Jiu-Jitsu (and Sambo) excels at grappling, throws, ground fighting, and just as important, fighting your way back up to your feet should you end up on the ground. 

I would start off with some Aikido.  It will introduce you to the Martial Arts world and develope several key principals in learning how to manipulate the human body.  Afterwards, I'd look into some type of Jiu-Jitsu or Mixed Martial Arts (MMA.) 

Tony's SPEAR system is also another very good system to learn, provided you can find it in your area.  Definitely worth attending a training seminar if you get the chance.

Oh yeah, Welcome Rob! 

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