Disarming citizens during traffic stops

[Big Frank]

If you're going to correct TAB's spelling you may as well correct all of it. I'm letting it slide.

[TAB]

TAB is, as usual, talking out his pelosi.  If he had read history, or for that matter listened to the coverage of what was said during the Heller case he would know that that his arguments have been resisted as repressive since at least the 1600's.
The ONLY reason for controlling arms is to control people by a government that does not have the support of those people.

Heller said that people had a right to own a gun in thier home loaded and at the ready for sd... it also said that restrcitions  on carry were ok.

[tombogan03884]

Heller said that people had a right to own a gun in thier home loaded and at the ready for sd... it also said that restrcitions  on carry were ok.

That was the DECISION. Read the arguments where they are talking about  discrimination a gainst Protestants under the Stuarts and against Catholics under Cromwell.

[TAB]

And most weapon( all kinds of weapons) control over the years has been racist...

[tombogan03884]

And most weapon( all kinds of weapons) control over the years has been racist...

So by advancing your arguments against universal CCW you are promoting racism. TAB, I have to tell you, if race is the only reason you can find for hating people your not paying attention.

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[ismram]

The laws of one state, should never be allowed to super seed the laws of another.  Its just that simple.

Lets just say you live in state A, where you can legally CCW, but you want to go to state B, where if you lived there you would be DQed.  Tell me how its fair to state B, if you can legally CCW there do to your own states laws. 

So what your saying is if a state "A" didn't like the way another state"B" does there driving test They could tell state "B" that they don't honor your states drivers and the Feds could not do anything about it. The Federal Goverment has passed many, many, many laws that the states have to abide by. Some good and some not so good but thats just the way it is.

[ismram]

And most weapon( all kinds of weapons) control over the years has been racist...

What the F#@%^%$#@K

[TAB]

What the F#@%^%$#@K

Its very much the truth.  here in CA during the gold rush many laws were passed banning "chinese" weapons.  a "throwing star" is a felony so are numb chucks and have been since the gold rush.  In the south many laws have been passed to prevent blacks from getting guns.


When it comes to DL, states do not have to honor all forms of them and can impose greater restrictions on CDLs then teh federal laws.   It is also fedreal law, that marrages do not have to be honored by other states if they do not meet the federal tax standard.  So example, single sex and common law marrages, do not have to reconized.  Some states choose to, but there is federal la saying they don't have too.

[bbbean]

We have ahd gun control in this country since well before it was founded.  CCW has never been a right nation wide, NEVER.  Its also a new concept.  Up until just recently concealing a gun was viewed as something only crimals did.

If you look at the history of this country, its only about the last 75ish years that "uninfringed" has been taken to mean, no restrictions what so ever.  FWIW, we have no rights that are not retstricted.  Every single one of them has some type of restrcition on it, why should the 2a be diffrent from the rest?

Could you quote the relevant sections of the constitution to back up your assertion? What were the early restrictions on gun ownership and carry? 

[PegLeg45]

Heller said that people had a right to own a gun in thier home loaded and at the ready for sd... it also said that restrcitions  on carry were ok.

That still doesn't make the decision completely right ...in many ways it was a cop-out by the court....they ruled in favor of the 2nd Amendment in general terms of an individuals rights, but still said DC could use 'restrictions' on said ownership and bearing of arms, which in my opinion contradicts their own decision. Kind of like the old 'having your cake and eating it too' saying.

If you are an American citizen, free of criminal conviction, you should be able to buy, own, and bear said arms at any time or place in this country.