DEFENSIVE ACTIVE SHOOTER TRAINING -- IS IT VALUEABLE ? ?

[TAB]

One thing that is common to most mass shooting incidents is they happen in places the shooter spent lots of time.

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[ratcatcher55]

I ask this question, because I don't have the experience nor have I done research to know. 

What are the elements common to being in an Active Shooter situation where someone is bent on mass killing compared to being in a robbery, home invasion, etc?  Now, what elements are specific to an Active Shooter based on mass carnage that don't generally exist in other situations?  That is what I would want to train defensively for....hit the relevent, meaningful points of like and dislike actions....if they do in fact exist.

I would think there are elements common to the Active Shooter that are common to other events....is the druggie who pulled a 38 on me on the beach (I'll never know how he got those 2" diameter bullets in that cylinder) when I was 15 any more or less dangerous to me than someone wanting to kill a lot of people and me being in the wrong place at the wrong time?  Is there something different about the events that would be key in helping survive?

My perception is that there is something helpful here.  I have been known to be wrong.

I think there is a basic difference in mindset between the criminal and the mass shooter mind. I have heard Skip Gochenor give this lecture a couple times and it is worth reading.

http://www.texaschlforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=15597&p=177163&hilit=Skip+Gochenour

The mope robbing you on the beach want to get away. The mass shooter doesn't care.

[Rob Pincus]

I voted "yes" for everyone... with the caveat that the training for LE/Security personnel heading towards the sound of gunshots (our D.A.R.T. program) needs to be significantly different than that for the armed person who happens to get caught in a situation (CCW Tcactics or Defensive Firearms Use in Public).

-RJP

[Rastus]

I voted "yes" for everyone... with the caveat that the training for LE/Security personnel heading towards the sound of gunshots (our D.A.R.T. program) needs to be significantly different than that for the armed person who happens to get caught in a situation (CCW Tcactics or Defensive Firearms Use in Public).

-RJP

I think this is exactly right.  For civies, what awareness clues or techniques would tell which way is the right way to go to get away?  If you are standing next to an exit in the mall, that's easy...maybe.  If you are in the middle of a mall or in a building like in India then things get more testy.

At any rate, I think from a business and personal interest standpoint a class in Defensive Active Shooter that draws elements together (repackaged from other courses) could be a helpful course.

[tt11758]

Exactly.  A mob can kill by sheer force "just as dead" as you would be with a 7.62 x 39 perforating you in inappropriate places.

Personally, I have NO appropriate places for 7.62 x 39 perforation.

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[tt11758]

One thing that is common to most mass shooting incidents is they happen in "Gun Free Zones".

Tom, you HAD to know that TAB would be all over you for that one. 

[tombogan03884]

Tom, you HAD to know that TAB would be all over you for that one.  

Yes, but anyone who has been here a while knows where TABs head usually is.  

[tt11758]

Yes, but anyone who has been here a while knows where TABs head usually is.  

I believe the term you're looking for is "Operating HUA".     

[Rastus]

Personally, I have NO appropriate places for 7.62 x 39 perforation.

Finally, someone who appreciates fine humor......