Author Topic: FMJ Ball For Self Defense?  (Read 40525 times)

tombogan03884

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Re: FMJ Ball For Self Defense?
« Reply #30 on: November 02, 2012, 11:22:24 PM »
Let me clarify what I meant about FMJ ammo and dead enemy soldiers. I was referring to pistol caliber rounds fired from a Thompson Submachinegun for example. And on the opposite side there are many dead American, British, French, and Russian soldiers due to  well placed 9mm rounds from a MP 40. Sorry for not being more clear about that...

My point is FMJ may not be the most efficient ammo for killing people but it sure is a far cry from being an absolute inferior option if that's all you have.

Can you provide the sources for your statements above? I would not mind reading what these authors had to say, as I like reading up on ballistic effectiveness over history.

Thanks!
-G

OK, that answers my apples vs oranges , but it still leaves the "no data for the HP's" argument.
I will cheerfully concede that FMJ beats the crap out of using rocks and pointy sticks.
The Information on the Dum Dum bullets, IIRC came from "the Boer War" by Sir Arthur Conan Doyle (yes that AC Doyle Sherlock Holmes wasn't all he wrote  ;D )
As for the Armed Forces of signatory nations being limited to FMJ, Tim is right about the Hague convention of 1899, but there were further conventions reinforcing and updating that in the early 1920's (23 IIRC )

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Re: FMJ Ball For Self Defense?
« Reply #31 on: November 03, 2012, 09:51:12 AM »
At some point these threads on bullet or caliber choice all comes down to the same fact:

Nobody wants a leaky hole in their body!  Leaky holes in the body are not good for living a long and full life!  Shoot what you got and are comfortable with!
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Re: FMJ Ball For Self Defense?
« Reply #32 on: November 03, 2012, 10:38:22 AM »
At some point these threads on bullet or caliber choice all comes down to the same fact:

Nobody wants a leaky hole in their body!  Leaky holes in the body are not good for living a long and full life!  Shoot what you got and are comfortable with!

Don't be a wet blanket, after the 3rd post they all fall into the same category as .45 Vs 9MM,  1911 vs Glock and Ginger vs Mary Ann.

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Re: FMJ Ball For Self Defense?
« Reply #33 on: November 03, 2012, 11:24:31 AM »
Don't be a wet blanket, after the 3rd post they all fall into the same category as .45 Vs 9MM,  1911 vs Glock and Ginger vs Mary Ann.

True, but every four pages we need to have a pitstop for adjustments and refocus  ;)
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Re: FMJ Ball For Self Defense?
« Reply #34 on: November 03, 2012, 12:28:07 PM »
At some point these threads on bullet or caliber choice all comes down to the same fact:

Nobody wants a leaky hole in their body!  Leaky holes in the body are not good for living a long and full life!  Shoot what you got and are comfortable with!

That is step 1.

Step 2:  Work and practice to become comfortable with the most effective load and weapon you can.

Step 3:  Make sure that is what you got with you.

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Re: FMJ Ball For Self Defense?
« Reply #35 on: November 03, 2012, 01:06:05 PM »
True, but every four pages we need to have a pitstop for adjustments and refocus  ;)

Why ?  ;D

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« Reply #36 on: November 03, 2012, 03:51:45 PM »
Why ?  ;D

Because if we don't we turn into a forum named after a very popular semi-automatic rifle and start cussing and name calling ..... You F'n jackass  ;D
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Re: FMJ Ball For Self Defense?
« Reply #37 on: November 03, 2012, 05:06:39 PM »
Because if we don't we turn into a forum named after a very popular semi-automatic rifle and start cussing and name calling ..... You F'n jackass  ;D

HEY!!!...How come Tom is the only one that gets to be called that?     ;D ;D ;D
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Re: FMJ Ball For Self Defense?
« Reply #38 on: November 03, 2012, 05:15:44 PM »
Hang around tuna breath, you're next!
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Re: FMJ Ball For Self Defense?
« Reply #39 on: November 03, 2012, 06:02:06 PM »
Hang around tuna breath, you're next!

Somebody's been eatin' their Wheaties again, eh?
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