Bob Barr Exploring Presidential Run as Libertarian

[Ron J]

gemurdock
"But I will NOT vote for McCain.  I will vote Libertarian or whatever, because if the nation is going to have to suffer another Cater to get some semblance of another Ronald Reagan, I say do it NOW.  Generation X may not have been taught history in school, but they will learn it the hard way, and it might as well be sooner than later."


Actually, I happen to drink really strong coffee ("it's the gourmet expensive..."). 

And I still miss the logic here.  If I understand you right, your rationale sounds like a really bad case of “Catholic guilt” rather then a solid reason as to why we should elect a president.  We need to “suffer another Carter”, which could be eight years this time, because we need to teach the Republican party a “lesson”? 

How much of a “lesson” are you willing to take if Obama gets elected?  Fubar economics?  Trash the 2nd Amendment?  Forget about national security?  You think McCain would appoint liberal judges?  Who do you think bro’O would appoint?!?  Like you said, the “worst of Carter and Clinton” and this is going to be a good “lesson” for the United States in what way?  Because from this we will see the need to what ... clone Reagan by 2012?   

I don’t much like McCain either.  But he has a better chance to win than anything else we can field against Obama.  With all due respect, the idea of teaching conservative values by defaulting in an election is too dangerous.  Our primary objective should be to do whatever we can to keep Obama from being the President of the United States.  Voting for a 3rd party candidate that has a chance of winning is one thing (and when we clone Reagon we will be sure to bring Abe & Teddy back).  But throwing your vote away on a 3rd party candidate that has NO CHANCE is not the lesson we need or can afford.

All this being said, if you want to roll the bones on teaching a society a lesson via an election that's your right.  However, while you are dreaming I am going to try mainlining coffee beans. 

[tombogan03884]

I agree with Rastus and Gemurdock,I will not settle for the lesser of 2 evils . The lesson learned if B - Ho or the hilly beast get elected will be wether or not Americans still have spine enough to throw out an unAmerican Government like we did in 1776.

[gemurdock]

And I still miss the logic here.  If I understand you right, your rationale sounds like a really bad case of “Catholic guilt” rather then a solid reason as to why we should elect a president.  We need to “suffer another Carter”, which could be eight years this time, because we need to teach the Republican party a “lesson”? 

How much of a “lesson” are you willing to take if Obama gets elected?  Fubar economics?  Trash the 2nd Amendment?  Forget about national security?  You think McCain would appoint liberal judges?  Who do you think bro’O would appoint?!?  Like you said, the “worst of Carter and Clinton” and this is going to be a good “lesson” for the United States in what way?  Because from this we will see the need to what ... clone Reagan by 2012?   

I don’t much like McCain either.  But he has a better chance to win than anything else we can field against Obama.  With all due respect, the idea of teaching conservative values by defaulting in an election is too dangerous.  Our primary objective should be to do whatever we can to keep Obama from being the President of the United States.  Voting for a 3rd party candidate that has a chance of winning is one thing (and when we clone Reagon we will be sure to bring Abe & Teddy back).  But throwing your vote away on a 3rd party candidate that has NO CHANCE is not the lesson we need or can afford.

All this being said, if you want to roll the bones on teaching a society a lesson via an election that's your right.  However, while you are dreaming I am going to try mainlining coffee beans. 

I for one do not consider GW Bush a "success".  He would have signed a new AWB, and so would McCain.  Fubar economics are coming, regardless of who is elected, and "Cap and Trade" will simply throw gasoline on the fire.

Unfortunately, I guess I ultimately expect that, as Jefferson said "the tree off Liberty will need to be watered", and I vote for the new Boston Tea Party.  Not a clone of Reagan, or Jefferson, or Washington, but someone who holds the same principles and "ideals".  They are time tested truths, and only require an appropriate time and leader to remind the people.

I guess that's what makes America a (almost) free country....for now...

[Outlaw]

When Lincoln was elected we didn't have T.V., Radio, The Internet, Mega Billionaire candidate backing and the extent of crooked politics we have now. We didn't even have Superman. And when we finally got a Superman, he got shot. I didn't think you could kill him with a bullet.  Damn 

[Ron J]

Gemurdock, will have to disagree with you to the differences in economic plans of McCain vs. Obama.  Fiscally speaking, McCain and Obama are night vs. day.  More to what you said in your post comparing it to be something like Carter on ‘roids.  You are right about $8 gas.  Unless we can increase global supply or substantially reduce our demand it will happen regardless of who the next president is.  

As well, you Rastus, Haz and Tom’s stand on principle and not voting for the "lesser of two evils" is admirable and while I disagree, I sincerely respect you for it.  

All the same, IF there is NOT a viable 3rd party candidate … and by viable, I mean one that can get elected … voting for your principle and for a non-electable 3rd party candidate is giving the election to Obama.  You can vote for a “tea party” but you know that is not going to happen. You can vote for your principle but in the end all you are doing is helping Barak Hussein Obama become the next president of the United States.

The realilty is that it is about the lesser of two evils.  Giving it to the one that is the most evil is not a great learning experience.  

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[Hazcat]

We never will have a 'viable' third party candidate if people automatically say 'he can't get elected'.

Do you want to vote for the 'winner' or do you want to vote what is best for the country?  We have tried the lesser for way too many years now and all it has accomplished is turning the RNC into "Dem lite".  If you wish to tell them that you're fine with that then by alll means vote for McCain.  I will vote for a conservative (or be an undercount in the Pres race).

[Bill Stryker]

I agree with RonJ. It is sad to see people vote for a third party when all that will do is give us the worst of the evils. Like it or not the third party in this race is a spoiler only.

I prefer to think that McCain is the best of the viable candidates still in the race. McCain is clearly the better of the choices for the 2A, the economy, defense and taxes. B-ho and Hil have said they will raise our taxes! You want to pay more so the gummint can take away your guns? What are you thinking?

I am sure Barr is a good man. But I hope he decides not to run.

[Ron J]

“We never will have a 'viable' third party candidate if people automatically say 'he can't get elected'.”

Haz, you are absolutely dead right.  Center x-ring hit correct! 

No one is automatically disqualifying candidates because they are 3rd party.  The problem is that the 3rd party candidates have already disqualified themselves!  Not one has captured enough interest from the American public to be a viable candidate.  This means that not one of the 3rd party candidates will capture enough of the popular or electoral vote to win.   

To this, I would LOVE to vote for someone other than McCain! But in doing such in this election with these candidates would mean that my vote is going to in effect help Barak Hussein Obama win.  We can’t let this happen.  In this election and with the candidates that are available, only one has a chance at beating Obama and that’ McCain. 

[Bill Stryker]

RonJ,
Right. I agree.

[pioneer]

Anyone who votes for Barr, will help elect Obama.  Obama has been very clear on his 2nd Amendment position.  He says nobody should have a gun.  Nobody! 

You vote on "principle," but in doing so, our nation goes evermore closer to Marxist socialism.