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[Timothy]

I know from minor experience that short barrel 1911 frames can be problematic.  That said, knowing the limitations of the design I doubt I'd own something less than a 4" barrel but the feel, fit, trigger and long familiarity with the 1911 slim design makes it darn near perfect for me.

I have an old Sig that just feels good as well!  The trigger blows but Sig will correct that shortly.

EDC is a snub...  Timex simple, shoots every time!

[Rastus]

I'll let you guys know how the wife's Kimber Ultra 2 9mm runs after a few hundred rounds downrange.  It' has digested 200 give or take without a problem so far. 

I was agin' it...but it was Rose Gold I didn't stand a chance. 

[Timothy]

Boy I remember Rob and Hazcat used to go after it....it made for an interesting board. 

Back then Pincus  was a kid, barely 35.  He ain't much past 40 now!

Makes it tough for us old phuqers to trust him!  I've been doing the same thing for 30 years and don't consider myself an expert at anything!  Hard to believe snot nosed kids are "experts" at any level!

[billt]

I do remember back...probably the last year Rob was on Best Defense he had a standing offer that anyone who had a Kimber 1911 who didn't have a failure by lunch the 1st or 2nd day got there money back for their class.  That's pretty strong.

If you watch the video I posted about sub compact 1911's failing, Rob mentions that challenge at the end of the video. From what I understand no one has collected on it. It includes all makes of full size 1911 models as well as the chopped models.

[les snyder]

FWIW... I've been a practical pistol and 3 gun competitor since 1982, and estimate nearing 400,000 rounds...my 1911's have broken finger bushings, solid bushings, slide stops, total barrel failures, link breaks, plunger tube loosening, extractor failures... my Rem1100/1187... extractor break, interceptor latch break, gas ring break, multiple "tuning fork" break, shell lift pin break

I shoot a G34 and a Benelli M1S90....   and IIRC never a mechanical failure other than knocking an extended mag pad off the Glock and dumping rounds, spring and follower... I guess I'm a fan boy

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[Big Frank]

I know from minor experience that short barrel 1911 frames can be problematic.  That said, knowing the limitations of the design I doubt I'd own something less than a 4" barrel but the feel, fit, trigger and long familiarity with the 1911 slim design makes it darn near perfect for me.

I have an old Sig that just feels good as well!  The trigger blows but Sig will correct that shortly.

EDC is a snub...  Timex simple, shoots every time!

I've read that the 3" 1911s have a lot of functioning problems but the 3.5" models have fewer problems. I haven't really shot either one enough to know if that's true. My 3" .45 is the only gun I have that isn't locked up. My 3.5 inch isn't even broken in yet and the round count is very close to 0. If anything happens to the 3" pistol I'll put some rounds through the 3.5" and start using it instead. I would use the 5" .45 for a house gun but the frame is on my Mech Tech CCU. It fits nice and snug but the slide to frame fit of the pistol is very sloppy and I don't want to wear it out any worse.

[Rastus]

That's a good track record Les.  I'd be interested in hearing about those barrel failures!

[MikeBjerum]

I don't think guys like Pincus and Yeager are "obsessed" with Glocks. Rather, they have been convinced, over a period of years, along with thousands of students, who have fired millions of rounds of ammunition, that they work well, malfunction little, and are easy to both operate and train people on. Not to mention most anyone can afford them. I would feel the same if I experienced what they have, for as long as they have.

My issue on Rob's total hate of the 1911 is based on two of his points:  1.  He feels that we are incapable of two moves prior to firing under stress (drawing the gun & disengaging the safety).  Sorry Rob, but I am capable of walking and chewing gum at the same time!; 2.  He condemns the firearm because it may, guaranteed in his opinion, fail if forced to run a 500+ course of fire without cleaning.  How many rounds do we fire in a self defense situation?

Oh yea, let me add that if we disagree with his assessment of these firearms we are total idiots in should not be allowed to carry.  He will even allow you to bring your "dangerous" 1911 to his course so he can ridicule you (check out his 1911 challenges and videos of students who bring them).

[MikeBjerum]

If you watch the video I posted about sub compact 1911's failing, Rob mentions that challenge at the end of the video. From what I understand no one has collected on it. It includes all makes of full size 1911 models as well as the chopped models.

I remember Rob posting once that a person collected on his free ammunition promise (1,200+ rounds) for having a 1911 that completed the entire two day course without an issue.

[MikeBjerum]

Yea, I questioned Pincus' resume once and he didn't like it much and never did answer the question.  I expect he's a fine shooter but his ego is a tad too overblown.

My issue with his resume is the sheer volume of "experience."  I have not dug into everything he has done for depth and length of time, but it is a lot for a person with less than 20 years from entering adulthood to when he became popular and was already fully devoted to his company.

This thread has turned into a Pincus bashing party, and I have contributed - maybe opened the door, but even with his good and excellent points, Rob Pincus could use a lesson and large dose of Rob Leatham humility in his personality.