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Timothy

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Re: SAAMI Is A Crock !
« Reply #30 on: July 29, 2017, 11:51:48 AM »
Yes, I misspoke;  today's MATERIALS are superior but I agree on the quality of some firearms.  I own a '69 Wingmaster that is hands down better than anything produced today!
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Re: SAAMI Is A Crock !
« Reply #31 on: July 29, 2017, 03:11:06 PM »
Quote from: billt on July 29, 2017, 03:40:50 AM
What's the difference in metallurgy between a 70's S&W and today's? Be precise.

You tell me. You're the one who started talking about metallurgy.
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Re: SAAMI Is A Crock !
« Reply #32 on: July 29, 2017, 06:33:23 PM »
Quote from: jumbofrank on July 29, 2017, 03:11:06 PM
You tell me. You're the one who started talking about metallurgy.

Then how do you know it's "better"? I said there is no doubt better metal available. That we know with certainty. But how do you know it's being used in today's revolvers? And if it is, how much "stronger" has it made them? And assuming it has, why has SAAMI still continued to reduce pressures across the board? Remember, you said :

Quote from: jumbofrank on July 26, 2017, 10:40:41 PM
Something else occurred to me. The metallurgy of new guns is getting better but that also means the metallurgy of old guns wasn't so good.

So I'm assuming you know for a fact they are using "better metal" in the manufacturing process of newer guns. So if you know this, how much stronger are they, than these older guns which you claim to be, "inferior"?.... Remember, I've maintained all along, that I believe this has nothing to do with metal and chamber pressures. And everything to do with lawyers and legal pressure.
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Re: SAAMI Is A Crock !
« Reply #33 on: July 29, 2017, 10:00:18 PM »
Quote from: billt on July 29, 2017, 06:33:23 PM
Then how do you know it's "better"? I said there is no doubt better metal available. That we know with certainty. But how do you know it's being used in today's revolvers? And if it is, how much "stronger" has it made them? And assuming it has, why has SAAMI still continued to reduce pressures across the board? Remember, you said :

So I'm assuming you know for a fact they are using "better metal" in the manufacturing process of newer guns. So if you know this, how much stronger are they, than these older guns which you claim to be, "inferior"?.... Remember, I've maintained all along, that I believe this has nothing to do with metal and chamber pressures. And everything to do with lawyers and legal pressure.

I don't know anything for a fact except that I agreed with you when you said, "If anything, today's guns are stronger than ever before. Modern metallurgy, along with steel manufacturing is producing far higher tensile strength materials, than were being produced back 50 years ago." If you know that for a fact, why are you asking me? And if you didn't know what you were talking about then, and have changed your mind now, don't blame me for what's going on between your ears. I can't fix whatever's wrong with your thought processes. Better metal is available now. It would be quite odd if no one is using it.
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tombogan03884

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Re: SAAMI Is A Crock !
« Reply #34 on: July 30, 2017, 05:54:31 AM »
Frank is just a dick that has to be in a beef with some one.
He should get married.
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Re: SAAMI Is A Crock !
« Reply #35 on: Today at 12:07:44 PM »
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Re: SAAMI Is A Crock !
« Reply #35 on: July 30, 2017, 06:37:34 AM »
Quote from: tombogan03884 on July 30, 2017, 05:54:31 AM
Frank is just a dick that has to be in a beef with some one.
He should get married.

He reminds me of F.Q.
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Re: SAAMI Is A Crock !
« Reply #36 on: July 30, 2017, 06:40:34 AM »
At least FQ was interesting, Frank doesn't even have that going for him .
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Re: SAAMI Is A Crock !
« Reply #37 on: July 30, 2017, 12:07:39 PM »
Quote from: tombogan03884 on July 30, 2017, 05:54:31 AM
Frank is just a dick that has to be in a beef with some one.
He should get married.

You're just jealous that when Bill started arguing with himself about metallurgy (modern metallurgy is/is not better) you weren't invited to play along.   ;)  Just because my opinion occasionally differs from you guys doesn't make me a dick. It just means that I can form my own opinion. When else in several years have I ever had to be in a beef with someone? BTW, I was married and she was almost as much a bitch as you are. Is it any wonder I dumped her?
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Re: SAAMI Is A Crock !
« Reply #38 on: July 05, 2018, 09:28:38 AM »
In 1978 I bought several(!!) boxes of Browning 300 WinMag ammunition. This ammo was 150 gr with a 3400 ft/sec muzzle velocity. I actually still have some. The standards and hence velocities have obviously gone down over time.
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Re: SAAMI Is A Crock !
« Reply #39 on: July 05, 2018, 09:51:48 AM »
Quote from: jatlasshrugged on July 05, 2018, 09:28:38 AM
In 1978 I bought several(!!) boxes of Browning 300 WinMag ammunition. This ammo was 150 gr with a 3400 ft/sec muzzle velocity. I actually still have some. The standards and hence velocities have obviously gone down over time.

If you really want to see a difference, try some of the old Weatherby brand .300 Weatherby Magnum ammunition, (brown, red, and yellow box with the wildcat on it), compared to what Weatherby sells today. Or some of the late 60's early 70's Remington green and red box with white lettering 240 Gr. .44 Magnum Lead Gas Check ammo. NOTHING in .44 Magnum was EVER loaded hotter! Including most anything from Super-Vel.

Hot As A Blowtorch

 

Cold As Ice





Nothing Hotter In .44 Magnum
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